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25/11/12

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The Historical Problem that Preterists Face

Our annual exhibit booth at the Evangelical Theological Society, what we do there, and why it is important for the whole preterist movement.  Ed Stevens shared some of the material he is writing for his Masters Thesis on Redating the Epistle of Barnabas.  The problem with the church father writings after AD 70 is that none of them were preterists.  Ed explains this historical problem and how preterists solve it.  (52)

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02/12/12

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Barnabas and His Epistle (intro)

Picked back up on our historical narrative at AD 61-63, which was while Paul was in prison in Rome, when James was killed, John was exiled to Patmos, and several of the New Testament books were written.  It is also the time when Barnabas was killed by the Jews on the island of Cyprus, and then Mark joined Paul in Rome. (54 min)

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09/12/12

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Barnabas and His Epistle (more)

Why God has arranged for America to endure four more years under Obama, and how Christians should live in response to it.  Discusses more of the biblical narrative about Barnabas and Mark, to suggest when the Epistle of Barnabas might have been written, as well as when Barnabas died, and Mark joined Paul in Rome. (58 min)

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16/12/12

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Luke-Acts & Paul's Prison Epistles

Highlighted our activities to promote the preterist view in our exhibit booth at the Evangelical Theological Society.  Date and circumstances of writing of Luke and Acts, plus two of Paul's prison epistles (Ephesians and Colossians) while Paul was in prison in Rome (AD 61-63). (47 min)

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23/12/12

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Paul's Trial and Release – AD 63

We review the date (AD 62-63) and circumstances of writing for all of Paul's prison epistles (Eph, Col, Phlm, Phlp, Heb), focusing especially on the epistles of Philippians and Hebrews.  It includes more info about the role of John Mark in the scribal and courier work related to the book of Hebrews. (44 min)

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30/12/12

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Hebrews & Its Courier

We cover the historical background of the book of Hebrews, including the churches to whom it was written, why Paul wrote it to those particular churches, as well as why I believe John Mark was the courier to take it to them. (51 min)

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06/01/13

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Hebrews Corrects Barnabas

We look a little more at the activity of Mark in relation to Paul and the book of Hebrews, and especially his role in helping Paul write the book of Hebrews as a correction to the anti-Judaic polemic and hyper-allegorical interpretative methods exhibited in the Epistle of Barnabas. (64 min)

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13/01/13

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John's Writings (AD 60-64)

Futurists believe John remained alive for over two decades after the destruction of Jerusalem, and therefore tend to date all of John's writings after AD 70.  We debunk all this and show that John died in the Neronic persecution, and therefore all of his writings had to be written before AD 70. (79 min)

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20/01/13

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Paul's Activity After Release (AD 63-64)

Three of Paul's epistles, First and Second Timothy and Titus, were written after Paul was released from his first imprisonment in Rome.  We take a look at Paul's activities after his release and before he was arrested again and killed in the Neronic persecution in AD 64. (51 min)

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27/01/13

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Paul's Second Arrest (AD 63)

We follow Paul's activities after his release until he was arrested again and sent back to Rome for trial and execution.  We see when and where his three pastoral epistles were written, First and Second Timothy and Titus. (41 min)

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03/02/13

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First Epistle of Peter Written (AD 63)

We use Mark's activities after he left Rome in 63, plus the conditions of the churches in Turkey at the time of writing, to help nail down the date for the First Epistle of Peter.  We also look at the expectations Peter gave to those churches. (49 min)

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10/02/13

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Jude and Second Peter (AD 64)

Since many modern skeptics have questioned the authenticity and pre-70 dates for both Jude and Second Peter, we need to look at the internal evidence, which leans heavily in favor of the more conservative traditional view.  We also look at the expectations Jude and Peter gave to those churches. (49 min)

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17/02/13

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Apostolic Canonization (Part 1)

Shows how all 27 of the NT books were written, copied, circulated, certified, and formed into a completed canon of New Testament scripture before Apostle Peter died in AD 64.  This lesson is an introduction to Apostolic Canonization. (51 min)

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24/02/13

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Apostolic Canonization (Part 2)

This is part two in our series on Apostolic Canonization. We discuss the duplication, circulation, and collection of all 27 of the New Testament books before Apostle Peter died in AD 64. (34 min)

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03/03/13

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Apostolic Canonization (Part 3)

This lesson completes our series on Apostolic Canonization.  We take a closer look at Apostle Peter's role in using the keys of the kingdom (i.e., his binding and loosing authority) to certify all 27 of the New Testament books as inspired, canonical, and authoritative before he died in AD 64. (26 min)

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10/03/13

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Great Commission Finished

We show from numerous biblical texts that the Great Commission was finished in the first century before the destruction of Jerusalem, and that the literary efforts of the apostles ceased at that time as well. (50 min)

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17/03/13

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Fire in Rome & Persecution

One of the most overlooked events affecting the Christians right before the Jewish War, was the Great Fire in Rome and the Neronic persecution afterwards.  This was the great tribulation upon the Church. (45 min)

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24/03/13

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Neronic Persecution & Great Tribulation.

Most futurists and even some preterists are confused about the identity of the Great Tribulation.  We will discuss the linkage between the Neronic persecution and the Great Tribulation. (50 min)

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31/03/13

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Sequencing the Tribulation

When we compare Apostle Paul's sequencing of these three events with the sequence found in Matthew 24, there seems to be an inconsistency.  See if you can spot the problem and tune in to see how we resolve it. (37 min)

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07/04/13

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How Was It Fulfilled?

When Futurists grasp the TIME of fulfillment, they immediately want to know HOW these things were fulfilled in the first century.  So this lesson looks at the NATURE of fulfillment. (53 min)

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14/04/13

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Matthew 24 Fulfillments

One of the first things our Futurist critics ask for is historical evidence showing that all these things occurred in the first century.  We provide that documentation from first century historians. (49 min)

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21/04/13

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Neronic Persecution

Christians were the victors in that persecution.  What about those who fled to Pella?  When was Apostle John killed by the Jews?

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28/04/13

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Laodicea and Smyrna

Futurists use the historical situation of Laodicea and Smyrna to suggest that Revelation could not have been written before AD 70.  We will show how they have misinterpreted both Scripture and History, and that history and archaeology both show that these churches were alive and well at the time John wrote Revelation in AD 62. (59 min)

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12/05/13

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Seven Churches of Revelation

Why is it that for a whole generation after AD 70 we hear nothing from, nor anything about the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation?  What happened to those churches? (68 min)

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19/05/13

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Where Did the Christians Go?

All the Church Historians bemoan the silence and absence of true orthodox Christians in the first two or three decades after AD 70.  Where did all those pre-70 saints go?  None of them reappear after 70 to claim the fulfillment of the Parousia.  What about the supposed Christians who fled to Pella before the war?  Why does history seem to indicate that they were still around after 70 ? (43 min)

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26/05/13

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Listener Questions and Comments

Questions about the Nicolaitans, trustworthiness of Scripture, historical documentation for the Parousia and Rapture, value of the rapture for understanding scripture, Romans 8:18-19 and redemption of your bodies, 2 Thess. 1:10 and expectations of pre-70 saints, Philippians 3:20-21 and bodily change, Matt. 24:37ff is not talking about a rapture, Historical Challenge to the rapture by Kurt Simmons, and Apostle John did not live beyond AD 70. (53 min)

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02/06/13

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How Many Lived Until the Parousia ?

Critics of the Literal Rapture view have suggested that the SILENCE of Christians after AD 70 about the occurrence of the Parousia, was merely because they were ALL either killed in the Neronic persecution or fell away into apostasy by the time of the Parousia, so that there were no Christians after AD 70 who understood the fulfillments. We will show from the Biblical expectation statements why this theory simply does not hold up under more careful Biblical and Historical examination. (47 min)

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09/06/13

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The Elect Were NOT Confused

Over two decades ago, Max King suggested that the reason why the Christians after AD 70 did not mention the Parousia, was because they had been confused by the Hellenizers into misplacing the eschaton.  Twenty years ago, Dr. Charles Hill debunked that idea historically.  Here in this lesson, we look at some of the biblical evidence which further refutes King's Hellenization theory, to show that an actual rapture of the Elect saints is the best explanation for the silence of the Christians about the Parousia after AD 70. (50 min)

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16/06/13

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Signs of the End (AD 65-66)

After Nero waged war against the Christians, things begin to go badly for him.  There was a conspiracy against him, a pestilence that killed 30 thousand in Rome, and a hurricane just south of Rome that destroyed many crops and fruit trees.  The situation in Judea was getting worse by the day.  Armed groups of bandits, Zealots, and assassins were plundering the countryside, forcing many to flee from their ancestral homesteads.  Numerous signs in the heavens and on earth were occurring more frequently now.  Many of the Jews sensed that something bad was about to happen.  In Jerusalem, some were lamenting the worsening situation, as if it was already doomed to destruction.  While the high priest was leading away a heifer to be sacrificed, she gave birth to a lamb right there in the temple courtyard.  We suggest some possible interpretations of this very strange event for both Jews and Christians. (61 min)

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23/06/13

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Rapture Questions Answered

The volume of Listener Feedback has been heavy in recent weeks, so we share some of the best of those questions and comments with you, and then give our response.  We first correct a historical goof I made in last podcast, then reply to a FaceBook critic.  Questions and comments deal with last week's story of the heifer giving birth to a lamb, the huge significance of the Neronic persecution, and several other issues related to the first century rapture.  We look at the implications of 1 Cor 13:12 ("know all things" and "see face to face") for the saints who lived and remained until the Parousia.  We show what impact the literal rapture idea has on our resurrection views, especially against the Collective Body View (CBV) of some preterists.  The suggestion by some of our critics that the silence after 70 could be explained by all the remaining saints being confused by the Hellenizers is debunked.  If you still have doubts about a first century rapture, this is one podcast you will want to listen to over and over again.  Several of our listeners share their good explanations of how they came to understand the rapture idea.  They explain it better than I do. (61 min)

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30/06/13

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Abomination and Lawlessness – AD 66

If you are interested in considering some possible fulfillments of the Abomination of Desolation and the Man of Lawlessness, this podcast is for you.  We look at how Gessius Florus, the Roman procurator over Judea in AD 66, attempted to rob the temple of all of its imageless coinage and force the Jews to bring in coins with Nero's deified image on them.  This would have been an abomination of the temple, and easily explains why the Zealots and Priests revolted.  One of the key players in that rebellion was Eleazar, the Captain of the Temple Guard, and son of the powerful High Priest Ananias b. Nedebaeus.  Eleazar blew the shofar and rallied the citizens to block Florus' access to the temple.  Eleazar then took control of the temple and did many other lawless things which suggest that he might have been the Man of Lawlessness.  This is one podcast you will want to listen to over and over again. (46 min)

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07/07/13

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Signs and Zealot Rebellion – AD 66

We continue looking at the crucial events leading up to the outbreak of the Jewish revolt against Rome in late AD 66.  We mention some of the major characters who played a significant role as the rebellion was beginning to take shape, and how the situation there in Judea at this time just before the war started was getting worse every day.  There were signs in the heavens and on earth at this very time of Passover and Pentecost in AD 66.  This is when the angelic armies were seen in the sky above Judea, as well as when the priests in the temple heard the incredible voices of a multitude in the unseen realm saying that they were leaving that place and going to another location within the unseen realm.  Could this have been the resurrection of the dead out of Hades and their reception into heaven?  This is another one of those podcasts you will want to listen to over and over again. (46 min)

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14/07/13

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Daily Sacrifice Ceased (AD 66)

Menahem, who was one of the early Zealot leaders, led his rebel forces to Masada, overpowered the Roman garrison, seized all the weapons stored there, left an occupational force, and then came back to Jerusalem to help the rebel forces in their struggle against the moderates, royalists, and the Roman garrison.  Because of his murder of Eleazar's father, and his tyrannical arrogance, Menahem was killed by Eleazar.  This left Eleazar once again in total control of the Zealot forces and most of the city of Jerusalem.  Eleazar put a stop to the acceptance of all Gentile sacrifices at the temple, including the daily peace offerings on behalf of Caesar and Rome.  This seems to be the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy about the daily sacrifice ceasing. Check it out. (44 min)

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21/07/13

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Cestius Gallus Fiasco (AD 66)

We look at the early months of the Jewish rebellion (August through December AD 66).  We notice how the Zealots quickly organized their government and prepared for the Roman attack.  The Roman Legate in Antioch, Cestius Gallus, did not waste any time responding to the rebellion, but his attack on Jerusalem was mismanaged from start to finish.  His retreat at the time when his troops were just about to break through the wall, only strengthened and emboldened the Zealot cause, thus prolonging the war, and wreaking total havoc on the Temple, Jerusalem, and the whole Jewish nation.  God sent multiple prophets and signs to warn them in advance, but they did not listen and heed.

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30/07/13

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Refuting Resurrection Errors

Recently there has arisen a couple of false accusations against the Individual Body View of the Resurrection by the hyper-cessationist skeptic Chris Camillo and some of the advocates of the Collective Body View.  Here we address both charges and expose their fallacies, and provide a clear explanation of some of the differences between the Individual Body and the Collective Body views of the resurrection.  We refute the errors of the "heaven now" and "immortal body now" claims of the Collective Body view, and reverse the charges of "futurist" back on them.

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04/08/13

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Vespasian Begins the War

After Nero heard about the failure of Cestius Gallus to crush the Jewish rebellion, he dispatched his most able general Vespasian to do it right this time.  Over the winter of 66-67, Vespasian and Titus assembled three legions and hordes of other auxiliaries and mercenaries to launch the attack in the Spring of AD 67.  Vespasian was successful in destroying all the fortresses of all areas outside of Jerusalem (except for Herodium, Machaerus, and Masada).  When he was ready to begin the assault on Jerusalem, he received the news that Nero had died.  The war effort was put on hold until affairs in Rome could be restabilized. (46 min)

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11/08/13

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Perfection Now, but Not Here

This episode is a special treat.  We play excerpts from one of Arthur Melanson's radio programs where he explains the meaning of Heb. 11:30-40, regarding the "better resurrection" at the first century Parousia, which perfected both the living and dead saints.  In the second half of the session, I explain how this idea of perfection is dealt with in 1 Cor. 13:8-13, to show how the Collective Body View of these two texts is fatally flawed.  This lesson directly relates to the session two weeks ago on Refuting Resurrection Errors, and takes it further. (55 min)

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18/08/13

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Resurrection Predicted in Genesis

We start off by reading some listener feedback, which notes that most of the confusion about the Resurrection within the Preterist movement comes from a misunderstanding of the opening chapters of Genesis.  There is a direct connection between Genesis, with its origin of sin and death through Adam, and the Resurrection that comes through Christ Jesus who is the prophesied son of Adam who brought recovery from that death.  We look at Adam's original condition at creation before the Fall, the ultimate destiny of God’s elect, the function of the two trees in the Garden, the kind of death that God threatened and that they actually experienced on that day, as well as the promise of redemption from that death by resurrection through the work of Jesus the Son of Adam. (58 min)

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25/08/13

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Fruit of the Collective Body Tree

Advocates of the Collective Body resurrection view have accused the Individual Body View of being futurist because we teach that we get a new immortal body and go to heaven at physical death.  However, we reverse those charges, and show that the Collective Body View has produced some very rotten fruit by teaching that we are in "heaven now," and have our "immortal bodies now," and have "perfection now," and that "sin no longer exists now," or that "temptation and sin will continue to plague us even in the afterlife."  If you are confused by all those strange unbiblical ideas that the Collective Body View has produced, this podcast is for you. (33 min)

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01/09/13

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Genesis: Myth, Figurative or Historical?

Is the Genesis account of Creation and the Flood literal and historical, or merely figurative or mythological?  And how does that relate to the Preterist view and our explanation of the NATURE of fulfillment of the endtime events?  Every systematic theology has to deal with Genesis, and the way they interpret it will automatically determine how the rest of their paradigm will be configured.  It is absolutely critical to get the BEGINNING right, or the ENDING will be wrong.  Any other preterist view of the resurrection which builds its paradigm on an allegorical or mythological view of Genesis is doomed to failure.  That is why the Individual Body View of the Resurrection is building its system on the foundation of a literal, historical Genesis. (58 min)

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08/09/13

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Resurrection out of Sheol-Hades

There is so much confusion in both futurism and preterism about the place in the unseen realm called Sheol or Hades.  We take an in-depth look at the Old Testament concept of Sheol to show that it was the place where the conscious disembodied souls of all the dead, both wicked and righteous, were held captive until the resurrection and judgment of the Last Day.  Those dead ones needed to be raised out of Sheol-Hades in order to get their new immortal bodies and go to heaven.  So it is clear that whatever else the phrase "resurrection of the dead" might mean, it had to at least include the raising of those disembodied souls out of Hades.  We notice that Rev. 20 mentions this resurrection at the end of the millennium, and how this is the same defeat of Death that is mentioned in 1 Cor 15:23-28, implying that Paul was not talking about a Collective Body concept, but rather the resurrection of the rest of the dead out of the Hadean realm. (53 min)

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15/09/13

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Why Bodies Were Not Raised?

Futurists relentlessly pester us preterists with the nagging question: "There is no record of bodies coming out of the graves in AD 70.  If the dead were raised at that time, why were the physical bodies of the dead saints NOT raised?"  In this session we look at some of the various concepts of resurrection that are mentioned in the Bible, including the "bodies out of the graves" (BOG) view of the futurists, the "souls out of Hades" (SOH) of both futurists and preterists, and the related concept of bodily change for the living saints at the time of the Parousia.  We discuss the afterlife hope of all Christians and show why Preterists have a better hope.  Then we provide nine different reasons why the physical bodies of the dead saints were not raised back to life on earth.  Hint: It has something to do with the fact that the eschatological resurrection was supposed to be a "better resurrection" (Heb. 11:35). (54 min)

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22/09/13

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Our Body” – Collective or Individual?

One of the most important texts which the Collective Body View (CBV) uses to support its concept of a collective body resurrection is Philippians 3:21.  They contend that the phrase “our body” mentioned here in this text is a reference to the collective body (the church) being resurrected or “transformed” at the Parousia.  Through grammatical and contextual analysis, as well as a look at similar passages, we very effectively debunk that theory and show that this text is talking about a bodily change for individual saints at the Parousia – the same bodily change that is mentioned in 1 Cor 15, 2 Cor 5, and 1 Jn 3:2.  This podcast challenges all full preterists to discover what this bodily transformation really was. (66 min)

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29/09/13

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WHO and WHERE were the Dead?

Futurists think that “the Dead” is a reference to dead physical bodies in the graves, so that the phrase “resurrection of the Dead” means dead bodies being raised out of the graves.  Some fellow preterists think “the Dead” is referring to the collective body being raised out of covenantally dead Judaism.  However, we look at numerous scriptures in the Old and New Testaments to show WHO the Dead were, and out of WHERE they were raised.  We see that the resurrection of the dead was the raising of disembodied conscious souls out of Hades. (44 min)

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06/10/13

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"Being Raised" in 1 Corinthians

Advocates for the Collective Body View of the resurrection claim that the Present Passive form of the Greek verb EGEIRO ("are raised") can ONLY be legitimately translated as "are BEING raised" with the sense of an ongoing process of resurrection of the collective body.  On the basis of that claim, they label other preterists as being futurists.  We show that their collective body interpretation of 1 Cor 15 simply does not hold up under grammatical, historical, and contextual scrutiny, and that the Indivdual Body interpretation of this text is the correct one. (52 min)

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13/10/13

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Expectations of a Change

What were the pre-70 saints expecting to see, hear, and EXPERIENCE at the Parousia?  Was it going to be a non-cognitive and un-experienced event, with those saints left on earth afterwards not even aware that the Parousia had occurred?  Apostle Paul promised the living saints that they would be CHANGED at the Parousia.  The dead would be raised, but the living would be changed.  What was this CHANGE all about?  We look at three different views of that CHANGE that are found within preterism, and show that the Individual Body View provides the best explanation of that CHANGE. (52 min)

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20/10/13

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Overview of 1 Cor 15

In the past several podcasts we have looked at bits and pieces of the 1Cor 15 context. In this session we summarize all that and provide the overall big picture of what Paul is saying about the resurrection here in his letters to the Corinthian saints. We share some further insights into this text which show clearly and conclusively that Paul is NOT talking about a Collective Body being raised here, but rather is explaining what would happen to both the living and the dead saints at the Parousia. The dead saints would be RAISED out of Hades and given their new immortal bodies, while the living saints would have their mortal bodies CHANGED into immortal bodies.  (63 min)

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